Comments on: Minor annoyance with Planet http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/ Random Computer Musings Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:35:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Edward O'Connor http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-158 Edward O'Connor Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:59:04 +0000 http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-158 <p>OK; done. Your posts will show up next time the cron job fires.</p> OK; done. Your posts will show up next time the cron job fires.

]]> By: Alexandre http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-157 Alexandre Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:54:14 +0000 http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-157 <p>Sure. The URL of my Emacs-only feed is: <a href="http://peadrop.com/blog/category/computers/emacs/feed/" rel="nofollow">http://peadrop.com/blog/category/computers/emacs/feed/</a></p> Sure. The URL of my Emacs-only feed is: http://peadrop.com/blog/category/computers/emacs/feed/

]]> By: Edward O'Connor http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-156 Edward O'Connor Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:20:14 +0000 http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-156 <p>If you'd like, I could add you to Planet Emacsen. Do you have an Emacs-only feed?</p> If you’d like, I could add you to Planet Emacsen. Do you have an Emacs-only feed?

]]> By: Chris http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-159 Chris Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:31:32 +0000 http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-159 <p>The bug is not in planet but in your feed software. If you don't want aggregators to think your feed is updated then ensure that the "updated" time of your feed doesn't change if you fix a typo.</p> <p>Complain to Google if Blogger doesn't support this. Please don't try to remove a useful feature (the ability to show updated content) from aggregators though.</p> The bug is not in planet but in your feed software. If you don’t want aggregators to think your feed is updated then ensure that the “updated” time of your feed doesn’t change if you fix a typo.

Complain to Google if Blogger doesn’t support this. Please don’t try to remove a useful feature (the ability to show updated content) from aggregators though.

]]> By: Tristan Rhodes http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-160 Tristan Rhodes Sun, 08 Jul 2007 03:01:13 +0000 http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-160 <p>Looks like I just ran into this problem! I was preparing to modify my feed by adding tags to my posts. This tiny change caused my posts to appear at the top of the planet again! I'm sorry everyone!</p> <p>I agree with Alexandre that this behavior should be changed. The planet should not bump posts to the top based on the "updated" value. Bloggers be free to fix a typo without worrying about spamming the planet again.</p> <p>If a blogger edits a post, the planet should update the content (assuming it is has not rolled off the planet) but it should not change it's position. If the blogger has an important update that they DO want bump to the top of the planet, they have two options:</p> <ul> <li>Create a new post and reference the old post via a link</li> <li>Change the "published" value to the current time</li> </ul> Looks like I just ran into this problem! I was preparing to modify my feed by adding tags to my posts. This tiny change caused my posts to appear at the top of the planet again! I’m sorry everyone!

I agree with Alexandre that this behavior should be changed. The planet should not bump posts to the top based on the “updated” value. Bloggers be free to fix a typo without worrying about spamming the planet again.

If a blogger edits a post, the planet should update the content (assuming it is has not rolled off the planet) but it should not change it’s position. If the blogger has an important update that they DO want bump to the top of the planet, they have two options:

  • Create a new post and reference the old post via a link
  • Change the “published” value to the current time
]]> By: Alexandre http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-161 Alexandre Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:59:24 +0000 http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-161 <p>LaserJock, I understand your point. However, this behavior is really annoying for people like me who tends to post articles first, then fix up the mistakes later (and as I am not a native speaker of English, I do make a lot of mistakes). And from a reader's point of view, I am not convinced that I would like to see someone's article appears every time there is a small update.</p> <p>It is true that I could use a static page instead of blog post, though. The problem is these pages wouldn't be aggregated in my feed, they wouldn't allow reader comments to be added, and they wouldn't be added to my archives page. In other words, I would lose the three features that made me use Wordpress in the first place.</p> LaserJock, I understand your point. However, this behavior is really annoying for people like me who tends to post articles first, then fix up the mistakes later (and as I am not a native speaker of English, I do make a lot of mistakes). And from a reader’s point of view, I am not convinced that I would like to see someone’s article appears every time there is a small update.

It is true that I could use a static page instead of blog post, though. The problem is these pages wouldn’t be aggregated in my feed, they wouldn’t allow reader comments to be added, and they wouldn’t be added to my archives page. In other words, I would lose the three features that made me use Wordpress in the first place.

]]> By: LaserJock http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-162 LaserJock Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:39:46 +0000 http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-162 <p>Some people might <em>want</em> to have updates shown. If something has been changed then maybe I want to go see it. I don't think the current behavior is really bad. It is what I would expect. I would suggest if you are often changing a post that maybe you should use a wordpress page for that material rather than a blog post.</p> Some people might want to have updates shown. If something has been changed then maybe I want to go see it. I don’t think the current behavior is really bad. It is what I would expect. I would suggest if you are often changing a post that maybe you should use a wordpress page for that material rather than a blog post.

]]> By: Alexandre http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-165 Alexandre Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:32:17 +0000 http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-165 <p>I got a fix. It was quite simple after all. I sent the patch to Planet developers, which will, I hope, accept it.</p> I got a fix. It was quite simple after all. I sent the patch to Planet developers, which will, I hope, accept it.

]]> By: Sandy http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-164 Sandy Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:20:48 +0000 http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-164 <p>Tristan: Not sure how tags would fix this, but Blogger does support per-tag feeds. Here's my feed for posts tagged with "gnome":</p> <p>http://automorphic.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default/-/gnome</p> <p>I forget where exactly I saw the documentation for this.</p> Tristan: Not sure how tags would fix this, but Blogger does support per-tag feeds. Here’s my feed for posts tagged with “gnome”:

http://automorphic.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default/-/gnome

I forget where exactly I saw the documentation for this.

]]> By: Alexandre http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-163 Alexandre Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:52:00 +0000 http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/07/06/minor-annoyance-with-planet/#comment-163 <p>Chris, after a post is published, the publish button goes away. And as far as I know, the only service I ping is <a href="http://pingomatic.com/" rel="nofollow">pingomatic</a>.</p> <p>Tristan, I already use a separate Ubuntu feed for Planet Ubuntu.</p> <p>I think I have nailed the problem. It seems Planet uses the <code></updated></code> tag to find for new posts from Atom feeds (Planet seems to do the right thing with RSS feeds). So the simple solution, would be to change my feed template so the <code></updated></code> tag has the same value as the <code></published></code> tag. However, the real solution would be to make Planet ignore the <code></updated></code> tag. I will see, later tonight, if I can dig through Planet's source code and get a patch to fix this problem for everyone.</p> Chris, after a post is published, the publish button goes away. And as far as I know, the only service I ping is pingomatic.

Tristan, I already use a separate Ubuntu feed for Planet Ubuntu.

I think I have nailed the problem. It seems Planet uses the </updated> tag to find for new posts from Atom feeds (Planet seems to do the right thing with RSS feeds). So the simple solution, would be to change my feed template so the </updated> tag has the same value as the </published> tag. However, the real solution would be to make Planet ignore the </updated> tag. I will see, later tonight, if I can dig through Planet’s source code and get a patch to fix this problem for everyone.

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